Your judicial hearing and appeal were remarkable. I admire your courage and honesty in the lion's den, alone. A reader easily senses an inner dignity and composure, a sense of fairness springing from the self-confidence of a studied position, carefully and moderately presented to protectors of the 'club'. Not the protectors of the mandate which calls for the existence of the 'club', the bible, but of the 'club' itself. You revealed their self-interest in self-preservation within the structure of arbitrarily imposed rules only superficially attributed to the bible. They defended not the bible, but the 'club', the organization, and it is obvious to readers who will bother to access your page. The logical devices you present are clear and right on point. It is an excellent page. I hope you believe the anxiety of your experience was proper metal for the person it proved you to be, and the effort you have produced to define it to others.
My name is _______. As of this moment I've been inactive for about three years. I am appalled by what I've just read. I have no family in the Watchtower and it tears me up every time I read one of these stories. But I just want you to know if you ever need to contact me I'll be there for you the best I can. It's a shame that they can do this to people and get away with it. However, experiences like yours are invaluable because they are no doubt having an effect on people inside and outside the Watchtower. they won't be able to keep this going as long as a voices keep crying out.
I stumbled across your website tonight and thought of writing you and letting you know that I think what you did with it was "right on the money". I don't know anything about the witnesses, nor do I want to, but what I read from the questions you posed, they are another secular cult preying on man's inability to govern himself spiritually. I'm not the most spiritual person in the world. I am a Christian, I believe in God and his son. I also believe it's my relationship with him and no one else's. My relationship with Christ is unique to me. Just like yours is to you. Who am I, or any other person or group, to tell you that that relationship is wrong, invalid because of dogma? Answer: I can't. No one can.
I was given a deeper understanding of how
deep rooted the self deception can be within the WTS.
Dear brother in Christ:
I have read your two transcripts and for some odd reason was not surprised at how they treated you. When you are in the "truth" it is like you have blockers on your eyes. Even if something is right in front of you, you seem to not be able to see it. I was this way too, if anyone said anything against my teachings, it was automatically blocked out. I call this plain and simple....brainwashing! You never second guess the literature put before you, it must be error free, as it comes from Bethel and it is "inspired by Jehovah." I love the way you handled yourself with the elders, that was awesome! You really gave them quite a fight. I loved the way you talked to them, gave me chill bumps. You were so straight forward, not in a rude way, just politely told them how it was. Took the scriptures they pointed at you and took them apart. It was great! I just want to commend you on your attitude, I don't see what we are doing as apostate, I'm not trying to form a sect or anything, I just have issues that for some reason most witnesses are blind too. Thank you for being so brave and standing up for yourself like you did, you are a great inspiration to me. Thank you for your time. I feel bad for you, that you were stripped of your lifelong friends especially in such a dirty way. I hope that since some time has passed you are having a better life.
I read your judicial committee on the website the other day and I wanted to express to you how empty and sad it made me feel. Everything you asked came spontaneously, like a dialogue should sound. And they sounded like their script was not revised or they weren't rehearsed properly. It almost sounded like an outer body conversation. Correction, not even a dialogue, but more like a mechanical process. I don't know how else to explain it. They tried to fit God in a box. How sad.
I'm reading your appeal. It's incredible! I had to stop halfway through page 7 to tell you that you made a brilliant argument regarding accepting the inspired words of Paul versus the uninspired words of J. F. Rutherford in regards to our hope. You're brilliant! I too am dumbfounded just like brother M2. I'm impressed with the deep spiritual knowledge you have regarding Christ and what was written about him by the apostles and disciples. I find that in our "studies of the scriptures" we always concentrate on Jehovah and not enough about Jesus. Not that I have anything against always talking about God. But for example when I read your transcripts, I was astounded at how highly Christ is regarded by his apostles and disciples, almost to the point of eclipsing God.
I'm a 38 year old 2nd generation Jehovah's Witness living on the fringe of the Watchtower Society. I live in ________. I'm married with 3 Children. My wife is a witness, my parents and in-laws are witnesses. All my friends are witnesses. Are you starting to get the picture?
I'm researching various
websites such as yours as well as others. I obtained old books written by
Rutherford and Russell, and compare statements made by 'apostates' to
What did you do after you got disfellowshipped?
I just got finished reading your website and the judicial and appeal committee's sections and I just wanted to say that you did such a great job of exposing the foolish and robotic reasoning behind the WT mindset.
I have never been a witness but am a born again Christian, and I feel God may be calling me to reach out to people trapped in this group and others. I have been studying the WT doctrines for a couple of years and collect their old books and such. I feel such a burden for these people, yet every time I meet with them I get so frustrated at their obvious logical fallacies and inconsistencies. I appreciate the patience and wisdom you have shown in those 'interrogations' and I pray that in my future meetings with them I might show half as much grace and longsuffering.
As for the lost family
members and friends, you know what Jesus said about all that. And since I do
the will of God I am your brother in Christ and I am sure that God will put
more solid relationships in your life, rather than empty ones based on
doctrinal position. I am so thankful that you have been freed. Isn't it
awesome, this freedom in Christ we share? I love God so much and I rejoice at
testimonies like yours. If you are ever in the ________ area, I would love to
talk with you.
I think basically the reason we feel we need to move so far away is because we wouldn't be allowed to "fade away." My mom is a severely brainwashed pioneer and is always on top of us. I'm sure you know the type. We are going to set up a PO Box and work out a way for our publisher record cards to work their way into our hands. Hopefully, by doing that, we will have disappeared according to the WTS.
I'm not sure where we are in our spiritual journey right now. We are confused about a lot of things. There are so many things that we've been taught and were led to believe were true that are not based on the bible. The more research we do, the more we realized how misled we have been. Its depressing, but I'd rather know the truth anyway. After all, according to the JW's, our pursuit is truth. Although when they say this, they mean truth filtered through the WTS. Its really nice to know that there are other people out there like us and that we aren't crazy!
talk to you later,
Thank you so much for your web site. I never have been a member of the JW Religion. However I did study among the Witnesses off and on for a number of years. I have been to the Kingdom Hall on several occasions and once to a circuit assembly. I still have a deep respect and a genuine affection for the Witnesses that I have known personally. I always appreciated many of the teachings because I found many to be in line with the Scriptures, but there were other features of the religion that I just could not reconcile with Scripture.
In my search for truth and understanding I have been, through the course of several years, investigating the Watchtower and its history. I found that the most helpful books were "Crisis of Conscience", "In Search of Christian Freedom" by Ray Franz "The Gentile Times Reconsidered" and "Sign of the Last Days." by Carl Olof Johnson. These books really served to confirm and to articulate many of the conclusions that I had come to concerning various tenets of the Watch Tower Society.
I wholeheartedly agree with you about small home fellowship. My wife and I study the Scriptures with my cousin's family every Wednesday evening at their house. We also study the Bible together by ourselves about once a week. I am looking forward to making new friends and getting together with more Christians in the future. I tend to believe that there are genuine Christians in multiple religious settings, including Jehovah's Witnesses. I will lend my support to any Christian organization and to any Christian individual, but only to the extent that their teachings and practices are in harmony with those of the Lord Jesus Christ and of the Holy Scriptures.
What I found most unsettling about the JW's was the legalistic approach as well as their unfounded claims of religious authority and exclusivism. What I found especially disturbing was their long record of setting dates for the return of Christ and of Armageddon. Their current teaching concerning 1914, in my estimation, represents a serious deviation from the true Christian Gospel. Because in effect their saying, "If you don't believe that Christ came in 1914 and gave us authority, you have no hope of salvation" When I read the Scriptures I find that a belief about a certain date simply has no bearing on our salvation, rather I found that what counts is our loyalty and faith in God's Son and in the sacrifice that he made.
It is extremely sad, but very typical among religious men and religious groups in general, the imposition of legalism accompanied by presumptuous claims of religious authority. The same type of thing occurred in the first century, there were men who rose within the church whom Paul called "false brethren secretly brought in, who slipped in to spy on the liberty we have in Christ Jesus." Immediately within the early congregation men sought to impose the law of circumcision "in order to be saved."
Perhaps there exists a parallel with the
Watch Tower Society, in that they insist that people accept and practice
certain things in order to be saved (1914, organization, F & D slave class,
blood transfusions, etc.), things that have no basis in the Bible. The same
can be said of other religious organizations, and even with regard to the
"Trinity", because some are in effect saying, "if you don't accept the Trinity
doctrine, you cannot be saved." My heart is open to any and all persons
endeavoring to live a godly life in accordance with the Good News about Jesus
Christ. Even if I believe that certain people are in error about certain
doctrines, I will still embrace them as my brother or sister in Christ, I
don't believe that certain wrong beliefs necessarily nullify the true things
they believe, the faith that they have, and the Christ like attitude that they
Love and Respect,
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